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These were followed immediately in 1937 (#278xxx) by the model 6M VIII, marked as such. swivel thumbrest Usually seen in silver, deduct 20% for lacquer, add 20% for gold non-artist examples. Many companies make other instruments, not just saxophones and the serial numbers are spread over their entire range. This horn is set up for a . my donation or the profits from the banner ads & calendar going toward? It is not a precise point, but represents a time-span which may have lasted from a couple of weeks to over a year. Great Savings & Free Delivery / Collection on many items . Interestingly, most Conn serial number guides indicate that the 10M began its production by 260,xxx, so this is one of the very last few transitionals ever made. You sometimes see these in nickel plate. (odd numbers would indicate high pitch -- e.g. This is probably what happened to cause Conn to stamp the neck tenons of the very first batch of transitional horns with NM- most likely for New Model- on the neck tenon. Deduct 25% for horns after this number. http://www.xs4all.nl/~cderksen/ConnSerialsConnWW.html. Revision 1. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. Copyright 1994 - 2023. But on the other hand the first one (a tenor)I worked on came from the family of a Conn factory worker, who were under the impression it was a prototype with the X standing for experimental, which was not intended for sale and is why the worker took it home so many years ago. though: I think that there are some horns produced in this
The Constellation 28M alto has three octave vents and the best feeling mechanism around, along with a high tech (for the era) plastic key guard. Brown rollers always, as well as snap in pads and Norton springs. It seems to have been
Saxophones in most moderate to large factories were produced in batches- that is, a few dozen to a couple hundred at a time of a particular type. Ive seen some 400 baris, but none with top hat and cane engraving or other distinctive features of this series. bore and tonehole placement redesigned. Tenor $ 3000 2 ("Silver, Gold Bell"): Body heavily silver plated,
Ive never seen a gold example. 16V Eb Contrabass Sarrusophone. To me, I think that since the term transitional is unofficial, it is easier and make more sense to apply it as it is defined- therefore to all saxophones from the end of the New Wonder Series II line that have any of the new features that eventually end up on the 6M. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". in keywork design. Model: Start # End # Worcester: 1 (1888) 3,200 (1898) Wonder Improved: unknown (1895) 41,000 (1917) New Invention: 16,000 (1910) 23,000 (1912) . These horns are under appreciated . The character of the sound that . There seem to be very few people (outside of a few collectors) buying these horns. redesigned ergonomics on palm keys This list is not correct for Conn saxophones (see Conn Woodwind Serial Numbers) or Conn bugles (see Pan American Brass Serial Numbers). to refer to these horns by model number only. Sopranino $3000 The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". The third character indicated the year within the decade (defined by the first letter). Beautiful Conn gold plated Art Deco Transitional model alto. > Burnished Gold Plate (00), 6M
Track 1: Mouthpiece Comparison (x5) on a Conn Transitional 12M #245k: MC Gregory GALE 4M, Selmer S80D, Otto Link 6*, Meyer 6M, Steve Broadus Perfected Model If a seller does hide part of the number you may wonder if they are trying to hide the fact that it is stolen. of this website's content, please e-mail saxpics@gmail.com
The information for this chart was compiled from a number
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a list of model numbers for Conn saxophones from the 20th century. from 1930 to 1940. Add 15% for this feature. And why was the alto so far ahead of its time (assuming the serial rings true)s, while the tenors were only different in a few areas? NEW WONDER CHU BERRY 150XXX 240XXX The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". The first tenor was marked 201,xxxX , the second 207,xxxX, and the alto was marked 206,xxxAX. View similar gear from other sellers on Reverb. Saxophone.org. Please check the fields highlighted in red. Were talking about REAL saxophones here! These horns are bargains. serial number range that are 100% New Wonder models and were
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Baritone $ 2800. This is a Conn 6M Transitional alto saxophone in original silver plate with original case and mouthpiece in excellent physical condition with serial number 252xxx dating it to mid 1932. Saxophone.org. over all, pearl inlaid keys and rollers, bell richly hand-engraved. Relacquers are generally worth 25% less than 100% originals. > Burnished Gold Plate (00), 4M
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If the model "Connstellation" is engraved on the leadpipe, then it is a 28B Connstellation trumpet. View similar gear from other sellers on Reverb. was added and most keys were repositioned to give the most
yet to see one and it's not in any of the catalogs I've seen
Ending 19 Apr at 9:00PM BST 8d 1h Collection in person. I have a 10M with a serial number starting with the letter 'L', made in 1968 in Elkhart, Indiana. model, but with split bell keys. Less evident
These horns can be a real bargain when you find a good one! CONN Serial Numbers. It's a completely made up name, as Conn started to refer to these horns by model number only. It's a gorgeous horn in the prime serial range for a Conn transitional. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. Alto Super 20 $2600 see above commentary for adjustments This series is characterized by: 1. Although the dates in these charts are reasonably accurate, there may be some discrepancies for various reasons. Of course, this is The Big Daddy Rabbit With the Fuzzy Tongue. The Conn 6M Transitional Saxophone The name 6M "Transitional" is a blanket term applied by saxophone collectors and players to the alto saxophones made by C. G. Conn Ltd. during the period of evolution from the New Wonder Series II alto saxophone to the 6M "Artist" alto saxophone. page. BALANCED ACTION 21751 35800 They lost their rolled tone holes after WWII. I find their intonation to be sketchy at best. Alto Typewriter $ 1600 About Conn-Selmer Conn-Selmer Careers Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility Latest News Accessibility Statement Contact Conn Selmer. Soprano $2500 Questions: If the X simply meant a duplicate/mis-stamped serial, why have we not seen them outside of this small and busy era of new design going on at Conn? the biggest change from the New Wonder to the M series of
A silver-plated Conn 'New Wonder' Series II tenor saxophone, with a serial number which dates manufacture to 1934. Conn Trumpet Notes- Vol. In March of 1974 an alpha-numeric system was established: There
New Wonder Transitional: 237,000 (1930) 263,000 (1935) Artist ("Naked Lady") 263,000 (1935) unknown (1971) Connqueror 26M & 30M: 263,000 (1935) 309,000 (1943) Connstellation 28M . -the nickname New York Neck, of unknown origin, usually used for the non-tuner overslung, but sometimes confused with theMETROneck Soprano $1500 10M Bb Tenor
This small company made around 25000 horns between 1937 and 1982 and have a fanatical following. I have personally worked on two tenors and an alto built by Conn that were stamped with an X after the serial number. the only horn that had any DESIGN CHANGES was the Eb alto. A serial number can of course be used to identify a stolen instrument. Tenor $ 2900 32. full Transitional glory: M series keywork and art deco engraving. All of the Martin horns have a sweet sound, and a very lush lower end. The changes that were made at this point were the redesigned palm keys, the raised and sculpted side E, redesigned octave pips, and possibly a slight alteration to the neck tube inner dimensions. I think these horns are undervalued. Ive used a The Martin baritone for years. Play one in good adjustment and youll see what I mean. Couesnon Models; 1900 . Some models certainly command the highest prices. I think this finish choice is possible,
Alto $ 2200 Plate (6)
Im one of those fanatics. That model comes with and without the first slide trigger. Tenor Music Man $2800 very rare, but fabulous! This can lead to what we call transitional models, which have some new and some old features. The beautiful
"art deco" engraving on the bell, but this is not
C melody $ 800 > Silver
Up until 75XXX, no rolled tone holes. finish choice is mentioned on the Conn
that is essentially a 6M (etc.) Take it for what you will. Tenor $ 2800 After that, altos were simply marked 6M, probably without design changes. My current opinion is that there were either a couple
Add 20% for gold plate. > Silver & Gold (1)
and "satin" means "frosted" or "matte" when referring to
4000000. > Satin Gold Plate (0)
This is most evident in the change from
Models
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have that much of any change after s/n 220xxx -- and the tenor
IX No. 1989 3900000. Berry played a tenor saxophone almost identical to this one. Tenor $ 2400 Yes, it was around serial number 263,000 that Conn changed the tenor saxes from two-sided to one-sided bell keys, and this is usually described as the end of the Transitional period and the beginning of the 10M or Artist series. >
Add 15% for silver, 25% for gold. The Beauty of Saxophones: Fully Engraved 1932 Selmer Cigar Cutter Alto Saxophone, Original 1931 Conn Alto Saxophone Warranty Booklet. I thought this was standard on the gold plated
A famous example would be the early 30s Conn instruments. Italics indicates "educated guess". Baritone $1800. Alto $ 3400 Alto $ 2300 There are a few examples with gold inlay on the silver bell (add 15%), a few rare silver plated horns (I own one, add 20%); and a very few gold plated ones (add 25%). My late transitional is zippier and slightly brighter. bell, engraving background, keys, posts and ferrules hand
I believe Finish 3 refers to a silver-plated horn without
Alto $1800 Add 20% for gold plating. These terms had appeared on certain 26M Connqueror altos as early as 1935, so possibly the 6Ms were reusing old tooling. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. The name comes from the bell engraving. > Nickel Plate (6)
- 263xxx for the tenor (considered the start of the "Naked
Mine has the Naked Lady. Bare Brass (4)
horns (regardless of any additonal art-deco filigree) until
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the gold wash in the bell. 8 This
Yep. Straight soprano $ 2000 Most of the Zephyr series was in lacquer, add 15% for silver. "Chrome"
VII No. Conn Trumpet Notes - Vol. Conn produced their first horns with a lacquer body and nickel
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necessarily indicative of a "Transitional" horn! Along with the 12M baritone, made from 1929-69, and 10M tenor, made from 1934-69, the 6M enjoyed the longest production run of any saxophone, by any maker. hand burnished. The early ones are mostly seen in silver, add 15% for gold plate. Tenor $ 3500 I
They do play rather nicely, and you sometimes see them in silver (add 20%) and Ive heard there were some gold ones. This is a very late Conn transitional tenor saxophone that still has offset bell keys. 1990 4000000. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. Finally after #278k (1937), all altos and necks are simply markedVIIIif they are marked at all. Serial Numbers. (It may possibly just have been the NATL neck, as at least one sax has been noted with both stampings). Records the default button state of the corresponding category & the status of CCPA. - A horn
rolled-tone-holes, Eb Baritone Naked Lady with SUPER DYNACTION for alto and tenor, RH side for baritone and bass). Alto $ 000 Tenor $1300 . and are not included)(5):
At about the same time, the forked Eb trill disappears, and by the 250,xxx serial number range the 6M design is fairly complete. and the baritone and bass models were soon offered keyed to
found a website that lists conn serial numbers up to 1968. if i read it right it says that numbers starting with the letter "m" were seconds. If they wereprototypes of some sort- why would the prototype alto be stamped A if they didnt do that until later and it was probably only for bookkeeping purposes? RADIO IMPROVED 18701 21750 These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads. > Silver & Gold (1)
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Baritone low A $7200. > Nickel Plate (6)
inlaid finger tips, pearl rollers. *1980 - 1986 serial numbers are for student trumpet and cornets only. Baritone $ 3600. Baritone $ 3000 YSC cookie is set by Youtube and is used to track the views of embedded videos on Youtube pages. 6, 1882 C.G. Inside of bell engraving background, keys, posts and ferrules
Both tenors weremuch like a New Wonder Series II transitional- that is, they were mostly New Wonder Series II but with the raised side E and improved palm key spatulas and no forked Eb. body to bell cage pantsguard added Some had sterling silver necks (add 20%), very few were silver plated (add 20%), Ive seen a gold one, although I was not totally convinced it was original. saxophones. This series
It is a very late "Transitional" model tenor sax with split bell-keys, and was manufactured just before production of the Conn 10M started. Selmer has the only legitimate claim to be the direct successor of Adolphe Sax. DAddario Reserve alto mouthpiece (review), Understanding Transposition for Saxophones, Our friendly & informative saxophone forum. error, or have an instrument produced before roughly 1970 (see serial number CONN. WONDER through 150XXX Up until 75XXX, no rolled tone holes. At this point, I dont believe these horns to be prototypes (I have now worked on a genuine Conn 10M prototype), but the other explanations dont cleanly add up. (HP), Eb Baritone Naked Lady with Bare Brass (4)
Therefore they probably had a couple batches going at the same time, and thus needed a way to differentiate between the batches coexisting at the factory when they switched to a new process or modified the design in a non-obvious way, such as slightly different internal dimensions or something like that. The Conn-Selmer resource guide appears to leave out the S prefixes on its serial number list, deduced from an observation made here: . Silver plate commands a 20% premium; gold a 30% premium. I No. The indication (LP) and (HP) after the model A serial network scheme with a small network size is designed for small user applications, and a parallel network scheme with high speed is designed for places such as data centres. A swivel thumbrest
The differences in the variations are pretty minor, mostly in mechanism. 11M tenor --
Theres a real oversupply of alto horns. The straight Bb soprano had already been transitioned to the
Additionally, the only Conns with the X stamped after the serial number that I have heard of were within a small serial range- around 200,xxx to 208,xxx- the first year of the ExperimentalLaboratory. The Transitional 6Ms, as theyre known today, are those altos with some portion of the 6M design, but without the 6M stamp. It is rumoured that there is a scam, by which somebody who acquires your serial number can then claim the instrument is theirs. You see them in lacquer, silver (add 15%), gold (add 20%) and Ive seen one nickel plated alto. The 234,xxx saxophone with the sculpted side E key would have been produced in late 1929, and this first modification to the New Wonder II would have been a direct result of the founding a little over a year earlier of Conns famed Experimental Laboratory led by saxophone design genius Allen Loomis. Alto Magna $ 2300 Bass $ 7000. The name 6M Transitional is a blanket term applied by saxophone collectors and players to the alto saxophones made by C. G. ConnLtd. during the period of evolution from the New Wonder Series II alto saxophone to the 6M Artist alto saxophone. .Ive seen a couple of Committee models with sterling silver necks. With Conn the situation is potentially much more complicated and involves a much greater production range roughly #250k-278k (1932-37). Search. Alto $ 2000 It does not store any personal data. Take a look at THIS
Those serials started with a 'C'. Conn Saxophone model numbers Italics indicates "educated guess". I think the ones below around 275000 are good horns, and that you should be careful above that number. > Nickel Plate (6)
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